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But if that isnt hard enough I took the baby down to my local IGA around after school (in my school uniform) to see the reactions i might get. The result is absaloutly horrible. I had about 50 people glaring at me. A mum literally pointed to me in front of her daughter so she could see. I ended up waiting in the line and a woman asked how old my baby was. While it is upsetting to have all these people stareing at me it is still so interesting on how judgmental the public is. But even still the program is a really good thing to do it tells the teacher is you have neglected, abused it.  
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Teenage pregnancy is awesome. More girls should be having babies before they're 18.
Of course they shouldn't be having sex when they're this young so it better be by immaculate conception. *glares* Just a question.. where they extremely shocked when you chucked your baby into the shopping trolley?
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my opinion is relatively strong in this area. first of all i think teenage pregnancy is irresponsbility in a cup. seriously, the 'horrible' looks that people get are well deserved. either use protection or don't do it. i don't believe teenagers can be in charge of a childs development when their still in their own development, it doesn't seem logical. very few teenage pregnancies result in happy lives.
i am not saying people should have abortions, im saying it shouldnt even get to that. failing that, adoption is a good option that at least has the child's interest in mind - because seriously, even with the support of your own parents, there's a very good chance you'll resent your own child. financially you're likely to be inadequate. you're also likely not to be ready to bare such responsibility. clearly not... u got urself pregnant didn't u? oh and if it was intentional. thats another story - im willing to reconsider some of my arguments in those circumstances, however - still higher chance of discontent. so do it for urself... use fkn protection u damn n00bs.
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you can usually tell when someones parents had them as a teenager, most of the time they will have names like harmony and hope and all those buzz words.
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If I saw a teenager with a baby in a supermarket I would think it was her sister.
Also, how come those people couldn't see it was fake? Are you sure they didn't give you a real baby and tell you it was fake and that you had to put a key up its ass to make it stop crying, all as some sort of scientific experiment?
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I had to do a myspace mirror shot
i feel so dirty i hope your happy if i hold the baby like this (with the other hand supporting his head)   Edit sorry about the state of my en suite it is meant to be renovated and i have to re paint it one weekend when im free This post has been edited by Sam: Apr 30 2007, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE While it is upsetting to have all these people stareing at me it is still so interesting on how judgmental the public is. Yeah, I agree, that is both interesting and upsetting. Hiiiiiiiiighly presumptuous straight-forward pitch-fork yielding and religious psycho babble from our resident conservative kiki aside, has everyone completely forgotten the valuable life lessons from a little ray of happiness called Gilmore Girls!? First off, I wanna say that it's not something I'd be encouraging girls to do, and absolutely I would use protection at all times - but they're called unplanned pregnancies for a reason. It's just not as simple as "use protection or don't do it." You could wait until you're 30 before you have sex, and even with using a condom you could still run the slight chance of becoming pregnant that very first time. A lot of the time I'm sure the pregnancy is beyond their control. Hell, you could even fall pregnant to a rapist. I wouldn't expect many girls want it to happen to them at such a young age - in fact, I just asked a few of my female friends whether they'd want to have a kid at this age, and they said no. But as adamant as you are in not wanting it to happen to you, I think that once it unexpectedly does, it's a whole different situation. I'm not saying there aren't a lot of irresponsible people in the world who might be in way over their heads, but I think it's unfair to just focus on that side. And seriously, when it concerns any life-changing decision, it's okay to be a little in over your head. It's human... it's what you'd expect, no? Hell, some people feel way in over their head at a new job, or even in a new relationship. Imagine how you'd feel being in school and raising a child. It's a lot to take on, but I believe that if you love your child, everything else will fall into place and you'll find a way to make things work. You just don't know a pregnant teen's situation, and I'm sure it's one of the hardest decisions a girl would ever have to make. All I'm saying is just don't be so quick to judge. And also, about kiki's comment that teenagers couldn't focus on the development of a child while they're still developing themselves... I think that's just text-book hoo-ha. (Yes, I just said hoo-ha.  I know, I know.) But yeah, I think we spend most of our lives developing who we are. It's human progress, for the most part it doesn't stop. Life is constantly changing, and it's highly possible to adapt to that change. To finally tie in Gilmore Girls, the bond between Lorelai and Rory (the mom and daughter for those with poor taste in TV) is an equal, loving relationship - where not only does Rory learn from Lorelai, but the mother learns from the daughter as well. Lorelai got pregnant at 16, I think it was. In a sense, they grow up together.If you think mother/daughter relationships just won't work out at such a young age, take a look at parents who have kids when they're much older. My mom grew up with much older parents, and because of that age gap, she wasn't able to be as open with them and talk about what was going on in her life without them judging her in a negative light. My mom had me when she was young, and I think that's one of the main reasons we get along so well. Just like Lorelai and Rory from Gilmore Girls, we're both able to understand each other and we even have fun together. At the same time, she's taught me everything I know, and I can say that I learned all my morals directly from her. I'm 17 and I don't drink, I've never smoked, and I get good grades when I can actually get off ISFAT long enough to study.  Like our good friend Rory in Gilmore Girls, I like to think I've turned out okay!If you've noticed, I've been bringing up my points in relation to "a lot of people", "the majority", "some people" and even with my own personal experiences. I've done this because I don't want to make a generalization on all pregnant teens, I think that would be foolish. I'm just trying to say that there are girls out there that can and do make it work, and I applaud them. I applaud them not for getting pregnant, but for putting on a brave face and dealing with each day as it comes. I think it would take a lot of strength to raise a child at a young age in today's society. I'm fully aware that it's not going to be the best option to keep a child for everyone, but for those that do... I know some of you may think it's wrong, but you can't change it. If you really care so much and don't think they can do it, come down off your high horse and offer them your support. Based on what kiki said, I'm sure they could use any slight amount of help you give! I'm sure there are a million reasons to not to keep a baby, but from my view you only need one to keep it, and that's love. It's really hard to pick a side on this issue and understand it completely until you yourself have found out you're pregnant - which last time I checked is gonna prove a difficult task for me! I don't consider my views the right one, it's just where I stand. There are many different views and perspectives, each carrying their own weight and valid points. I know this post will probably be picked apart and counter-argued to death, but I just wanted to offer a positive perspective to this subject. I'll let kiki and the Church elders take it from here!
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Very good reply evil i read all of it. Sorry to keep it short but baby is crying so i only have one hand. just one thing though
Does drinking and smoking make you a bad person? I understand some peoples opnions on smoking. But is that really change on how your parents raise you?
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Thanks Samhead!
And of course it doesn't make you a bad person, I was just using that as a quick example to say that kids with young mothers can turn out fine. In retrospect it probably wasn't a great example as I don't make any connection between being a bad person and drinking alcohol, but I just meant that kids with young mothers aren't always irresponsible. Alcohol can make you do some stupid things, but I think if you're a bad person, it was there way before the alcohol. If you wanna talk about that more, it may be best to start another ISFAT about it (and bring us to a grand 300 ISFATs!) Granted, everyone has their problems, and no one is exempt from the nightmare that is growing up as a teenager 
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i think you argued both sides perfectly
i know i say now that if i found i was pregnant i would abort it straight away because i want to live my own life before having kids but i know in the actual situation of finding out i was pregnant it would be a whole different story all together and i dont think i can actually talk about this without being in that situation This post has been edited by bozwalia: Apr 30 2007, 09:42 AM
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Sam, you need to name your baby and here are the name
1) Mirena 2) Ransillar 3) Mirenda no they are nothing like my name! gosh sam Eastland Thursday? Me Ash= 2 babbies  thats shit dude with that lady i would have gone its A FUCKING DOOOLLLL DUMB FUCKER! haha
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if you are going to think smoking makes someone a bad person, you should also think being fat makes someone a bad person.
QUOTE (miranda @ Apr 30 2007, 10:25 PM)  Sam, you need to name your baby and here are the name 1) Mirena 2) Ransillar 3) Mirenda no they are nothing like my name! gosh sam Eastland Thursday? Me Ash= 2 babbies thats shit dude with that lady i would have gone its A FUCKING DOOOLLLL DUMB FUCKER! haha i think that post just proved my point =\
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i think that guy has a problem with me.sam how was taking the baby doll to eastland with kyle? hehe i think it would have been funny to watch (y) This post has been edited by miranda: May 1 2007, 07:26 AM
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QUOTE (miranda @ May 1 2007, 05:46 PM) i think that guy has a problem with me.sam how was taking the baby doll to eastland with kyle? hehe i thing it would have been funny to watch (y) I think that's why  Maybe if you kept the posts a little more.. hrm, relevant to everybody else? =)
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Yes, what she said.
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hrm evil... gilmore girls is a fictional story baby... its not real
lives arent always that happy and mother daughter relationships are rarely that close:P. on top of that, i never said i wouldnt support a teenagers whos fallen pregnant. i just dont like their choices. on top of that, if ur going to have sex u can protect urself adequately to avoid pregnancy altogether, if u rely on condoms alone ur fooling urself.
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condoms have a 98% of preventing pregnancy. thats pretty high. using a condom alone isnt fooling yourself
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...haha and if u believe that, ur also fooling urself. the amount of condom breaking stories i hear, it has to be a lot higher than 98%.
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Well i think you did a good job of presenting both sides evil.
however you have forgotten one point (not as relevent as the others but still relevent): sometimes it is unideal for a female teenager to bear children because they are physically not ready for it yet. Their hips have to be wide enough and many other characteristic as well in order to have a successful birth, pregnancy and caring of the child (ie. breast feeding). keep in mind that everyone goes through puberty at different stages (some dont even go through it properly until they are 17!) you will find that in a lot of african nations where teenage females have been raped (no money for contraception people) that a lot have died or had permanent bone/muscle/organ damge done by having a pregnancy or giving birth too early in their life span. quite often during pregnancy the baby will get stuck, or their could be nutrition problems in the body as the featus is competing for nutrients with the developing female body. so teenage pregnancy isnt always a good idea... and remember- just because a female has their period doesnt mean they have finished developing in that department.
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QUOTE (evil @ Apr 30 2007, 07:16 PM) If you think mother/daughter relationships just won't work out at such a young age, take a look at parents who have kids when they're much older. My mom grew up with much older parents, and because of that age gap, she wasn't able to be as open with them and talk about what was going on in her life without them judging her in a negative light. My mom had me when she was young, and I think that's one of the main reasons we get along so well. Despite you avoiding generalisations about teenage mothers you make a huge one here. I personally believe it comes down to the outlook of the parents and if they can still see the world through the eyes of a kid, it doesn't matter if they're 16 or 60 if they still have the "kid" in them I believe it's enough for what you describe. My dad and I have an age gap of 30 years yet still I'd feel comfortable discussing pretty much anything with him, I try to avoid the stuff that could lead to embarrassment latter as he is still my father; but never-the-less we share quite a close bond, probably the closest of most parent-child that I've witnessed (of course it is hard to see how close that type of bond is without actually being in it). As for the topic at hand, I think it's sensible to avoid as much as possible until you have a moderately stable life at least for yourself. But if it happens it's your choice, but that choice should be made in the best interests of the child, as they were the one who didn't get the choice at all. I have more views and stuff to add to this but it's late, so I'll leave it at this for now.
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