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[-vQt-]

Ok this is very risky but
Could gods existant be a prank made by mortal men to enslave human kind
No offense but here are my thoughts

Bible supposingly was made by god
Objection:the base products paper ink etc are from earth no essence of holy in there last time i checked.

Jesus was resurected
Objection: Where is he now and if he is going to come back then when , no answer thought so the bible is very blunt on that topic

God gave us a choice
Objection: Yep for a god to supposingly gain power he needs followers so
originally how does he control us if we didnt know of his existance there fore someone will throw in the old FAITH excuse *cough* giving us a choice ment that he in turn need not exists confused good im saying if we can choose can we choose to be a god ourself eep cults lol

There is heaven and hell -the white light at the end of the tunnel
Objections: Science OOOOO< most religions hate this has proven that it is the brains fault you see the white light depletion of oxygen to the brain causes the tunnel vison and the white light of course the light from outside, the religious symbols of course your entire life you have been taught about these its a natural instinct. Oh also the "i saw my life pass my eyes" oh tricky but easily answered the lack of oxygen causes your brains to send random electric shocks triggerign past memories to go spastic and pop up << hard to expalin that but thats why you see that.

Well so far they are my objections and thougths feel free to explain to me about your thougths and yes this may becoem a debate lol oh btw i do have some understanding of the bible pls dont comment about that eg" blah blah blah its not like that its liek this " thats not a rebuttl thats bickering

This post has been edited by -vQt-: Aug 3 2008, 12:14 PM

[chicken wing]

this is a very interesting topic you have posted VQT. If you are really interested in finding out what the christian side/evidence is for the existence for God and Religion i suggest you have a look at the following books:

"Mirror Christianity" by C.S. Lewis (yes the same auther as the narnia series)

"A reason for god" by Tim Keller

"A case for christ" by Lee Strobel

There is supprisingly a lot of evidence supporting christianitly. Especially the bible. Here is a quick over view.

1. Reliable manuscripts: Original documents have been found of the New Testiment. More than about 500 copies have been found, spanning more than 250 years between them. These copies have been compared to each other. They have discovered that between all of the original copies found, there are only 8 mistakes per copy, and most of these mistakes are obvious typos such as spelling mistakes. These variations dont have any impact on the major teaching of christianity..

2. Reliable History. Events from the bible have been backed up with evidence such as relics found in the dead sea.There is an isolated tribe near where jesus was reserected, that has documented events on walls of caves of the comming of jesus christ.

3. Reliable prophesies. The bible contains over 2,500 prophesies, and already 2,000 of these have been forfilled. i cant remember any now though.

4. Reliable consistency. There are 40 different authors in the bible, who have all come from different backgrounds, and different erras. all talking about the same thing. In deutaronomy? in the old testiment it talks about the comming of jesus hundreds of years later. The books in the bible are eye witness accounts of events such as the comming of jesus. Yes the bible isnt "physically" written by god, but god spoke to these authors (yes even through bushes) and they have recorded his word.

Also, many scientists have began to believe in the bible based on scientific evidence that they have discoverd. cant remember any names at the moment either. (i am really terrible with names lol).

In revelations, it discusses the return of christ to earth. it says that he will come at the end of the earth down from heaven. It says that if we trust in god we will recognise the "true" jesus from all those who claim to be jesus.

God gave us not just a choice, but a free will. He cannot control our minds. Yes the bible, and much of christianity discusses that the holy spirit is within us, and guide us. but it only guides us if we believe, and listen to us and let it guide us.

So have a search, have a look at the books that i have suggested, and i am interested in hearing your comments on this