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[roboito]

Recently my friend joined a socialist group, which is very intensive in the protection of womyn’s rights. She is finding a lot of prejudice from these particular feminist extremists, who look upon a woman having a relationship with a male to be letting down the team and against feminist ideals. I’m so sick of this attitude, spread by people so invested in their ideals they can’t see that they are encouraging other negative prejudices and broad generalisations. If I hear one more person lump all men into one category, in which we are all the oppressors, all jocks, all with masculine control complexes. I’m all for seeking women’s rights, But not for diminishing those of others. When can we stop have feminism and just have humanism, stop setting up these divisions which instantly require segregation to function.

What do you think fatters?

[prostitot]

Malibu Barbie with typing skills? Really? Wow.
Thanks, but no thanks =)

Don't get me wrong, but ! I'm heaps appreciative of all your constructive criticism ! Like totally. That's what friends do! We should be friends. And paint eachother's toe nails. And go bra shopping. Braid eachother's hair and the like.
... bite me.

So here's the thing - if you can't express your opinions without having to bring other people down just so that you seem all macho on an internet site - maybe you're the one that should "stfu for a while".

I happen to believe in what I said, and by the looks of it, I've got company. Just take a step back and try to actually understand what I wrote. Less Malibu Stacey and more what CH!MP is getting at.
Do you think you can do that? Are you capable? Or just a total arsewipe?

OH WOW. LOOK. I SWORE AT YOU. I'M SO AWESOME.

hearts, baby ! and welcome to ISFAT =)

[n0lite]

First of all i don't believe that 66% thing. also wtf does rape have to do with women's rights? I wasn't aware it was ingrained in our society that rape was acceptable in any way. Yet it still happens. big surprise. so does murder. It's not as if heaps of guys view women as objects, waiting to be raped.

Rape has everything to do with women's rights. Violence against women = women's rights issue. Sexual abuse = women's rights issue. It involves sexual aggression. Towards women. Sexual abuse/assault is a whole topic onto itself, but I strongly believe that rape symbolizes a lot of society's issues. Yeah, it happens. Does that make it acceptable? Hell no. As to guys viewing women as objects: not all guys. Like I said, feminism does not equal man hating, and as this forum has proved plenty of women are misogynistic as well. But yes, some do. Look at the advertising industry or x-tube or whatever. Once you start analyzing things like that you realize just how objectified women are. And yeah, 66% is right. When you compare women to men in comparable positions (including part time work etc), it comes out that way. I didn't believe it either when I first heard it :/ it's pretty depressing.

lol you can't dismiss people's oppinions on the grounds that they haven't experienced sexual discrimination directly. Once again i'll state that sexual harassment isn't accepted in society. It's not like there are anti-discrimination organizations or laws or anything...oh wait...there....are.

I am not discounting an opinion. If you're female, you probably have been sexually discriminated against, whether or not you realize it. So that isn't really the point. The point is that >nothing< any of you have said was well articulated or had any evidence to back it up. It's apparent that none of you know what you're talking about. What I'm saying is that someone who has lived a comfortable middle class existence, goes to a nice friendly high school and has no concept of how 'the other half live' should not assume everyone has it as peachy keen as they do. They can have opinions, but I can disagree with them. Especially when they're ignorant and unfounded. Oh - there are amendments to the Anti-Discrimination Act 1984 that allow women (and queers) to be discriminated against. Trufax. Yeah. Also, has it occurred to you that maybe I'm not just talking about straight out old fashioned beatin's and rapin's? Most sexual discrimination is far more subtle than that.

I don't think there's a male conspiracy to make women suffer in order to please us. If anything it's women who fuel that whole industry/idea (not that i know much about it), albeit perhaps for the sake of impressing men. Again, i think this relates to the psychology of society blah blah...

Like I've said, I am not a man hater. Women contribute to oppression as well. I agree implicitly that society as a whole is flawed and that this relates - and contributes to - negative body image. I don't believe in any sense that there is a group of men sitting around a table and laughing evilly whilst hatching plans for a new foundation. What I mean is that, like you said, society as a whole socializes women to behave in a certain way. There's a difference between socialization and brainwashing. Men, too, are socialized, but in a different way. We're all socialized. So I think we basically agree there.

NOW. Onto the fun stuff.

Look, I'm sorry if I made you upset by making a funny. Srsly. I didn't want you to get all butthurt. I mean, I get why you're so upset. When you made that winning comment about toenail polishing and then said that I could only be macho on an internet site - I cried. Buckets. I'm still sobbing. We were going to bike around Europe together. What on earth am I going to do about that prostatot tattoo on my arse? You... you said I meant something to you. My self esteem! It's melting! If only I could make a misogynistic forum user respect me then maybe I could live with myself. Oh- oh God. Maybe, one day, I could learn to accept myself for the vile internet tough guy wanker I am...

Or not.

Haha, chill. I'm not trying to be macho here (amusing wording, given the topic) it's just something I feel strongly about. I can express my opinions without having a go at others, but then how would I get me some lulz? I don't think I'm 'awesome' for using a *swear word*. I just think my arguments are much better articulated that yours. I do get what you're trying to say, but the way that you said it (and the actual sentiment) is really quite ridiculous. I agree that everyone has a right to an opinion, but I honestly can't help but get my snark on when someone says something like 'Men decide which females are good enough to get something for free - so how is a girl trying to look her best her fault?' I get that this is an internet forum not a term paper, but come on. Read that back objectively and tell me it didn't sound just a little bit Malibu Stacey. Come on, I know you're smiling.

I (and pretty much anyone who has ever read a reputable academic journal) disagree with what you said, and what CH!MP said, and what most people have said. I can deal with being outnumbered on a forum; I'm firm enough in my beliefs. It's actually pretty fun, because everyone I know is pretty much in consensus on this issue. That said, it's a bit fish-in-barrel but whatever. I think the logic is flawed and has absolutely nothing to back it up, not research or life experience or anything.

PS. I most certainly am an arsewipe. Very astute.

PPS. R - you were right.

This post has been edited by n0lite: Oct 7 2008, 02:19 PM