Scenario
Boy and girl, presumably going out, or maybe, friends, secretly in love with eachother, or even just friends... Suddenly, one turns to the other,

<insert response here>

What do you reply? I mean, the list is endless of things to say..

• i love you, too
• i love you more!
• ...thanks

And sure, there are some replies that you want to hear.. but then again, some that you don't.

ARGH and then there are those people, that just say it for the sake of saying it.. those who only say it when they mean it... those who never say it at all.. those who don't know what it is...

"Love" = misunderstood.

What do you think?

Question: Based on a true story?

No, just something that I was thinking about.

If I don't like her: "Sorry, but I don't feel the same way."
If I don't like him: "Fuck off, faggot."
If I like her but don't love her (friends): "Oh. Uhhhhh" (I don't know what I'd say)
If I like him but don't love him (friends): "I'm going to freak out now, k?"
If I love her back: "BABY TIME!"

it depends on the situation really, but those who say it for the sake of saying it- sad *shakes head*

If you love him back: Od ani ohevet otach
If you don't love him back: When you say "love," you mean "like" ..right?

I don't say "I love you" unless i mean it.
If they (they= guys i don't love) say "I love you" i just smile and hug them. They can do what ever they want with that.
But, if they take it one step further and make the stupid mistake of asking "Do you love me" (when i clearly don't) I just tell them that I don't.

When I say "I Love You" to my KINDA boyfriend... (I have had a crush on him for ages and he likes me in that way to but we arent really a couple, confusing, yes I know.) He generally says "I love you too" or "I love you more"
But sometimes when I say it im not sure if I should say it. How do you really know when your in love? Confusing. Anyway... I spose you could take it many ways. But people who say I love you for no reason all the time annoy me. You should only say it to people who really do care about.

Right, which brings me to my next point. I'm having mixed feelings towards people who reply with "i love you more". I guess it really depends on the tone, but I think, that in general, it's not as serious as an "i love you, too".
Does anyone understand what I mean by that?
And to answer your question, I think I have an answer on how to know when you're in love. I think love, is the ache you feel when they're gone. Ironic?
Mind you, I'm not pessimistic about love. I just think that it's been misused, to the extent where the term has lost all significance, unless used with absolute sincerity.

I understand what you mean... are you talking about a particular person? If so, if that person says "I love you, too" AND "I love you more" then thats good... but it REALLY depends how they say it.. Like I goof around with my best friend Linda... we have fights about who loves each other more ALL the time. So if its like that then... maybe they love you as a friend. And I agree about the whole "I think love, is the ache you feel when they're gone" But i think i'm not mature enough to be "in love" cus SOO many of my friends have been "in love" but then broken up 4 weeks later... and not really cared. And yeah, people should only say 'I love you" if they mean it. I say it to my mum, best friends and relatives... thats about it. Like, i started saying "I love you" to this friend of mine. And at first I didnt mean it at all.. but now I do. And I am not really sure if he knows that I mean it because I said it when I didnt.. does that make sense? Wow. Love and all this stuff can be soo sooooo confusing..

Like i said before, I'm not talking about anyone in particular. It was just a thought. I just don't think that "i love you more" means as much as "i love you, too". I think, that the second you "more", it turns it into some kind of game... Just like lily said she does with her friend, although she said fight, its pretty damn obvious that its not really a fight, but more a friendly argument aka game, and I don't really think that it's a game at all.
I"m not having a go at you, its just my opinion.
I know what you mean about that other friend of yours, who doesn't know whether or not you're being sincere when you say you love him.. which takes me right back to my first point - the term has been misused!!! And right there, are your consequences.
Yeah, it sucks.
Now, moving on to the most painful and hated thing that can be done - someone who says "I love you", because they think it's what you want to hear.
IF YOU DON'T MEAN IT, WHY SAY IT? duh.
And then, when they go, "you know i love you, right?", and you know they're just saying it, it's ever so tempting to answer, "no", but you can't, cos you know they're trying. But still, it's stupid.
STUPID.

If im with someone i don't tell them i love them anymore

I try not to get close to people

if love is the feeling u get when they're gone, an aching of sorts - then love die fasts. love is so much more than longing for their presence - love is also being able to be away from each other. detach urselves from one another. im not a bible basher, but ull find a nice lovely definition of love in there and thats the one i live by.

i agree whole heartedly with prostitot's comment about their absence. it hurts like a fucking bitch and theres nothing you can do about it. and that can be the worst part of it, being absolutly helpless in your situation.

it can also be really detrimental to your view of love as well if someone you really care about tells you that they dont believe in it... you tell them that you think you're in love and then they turn around and say 'no, its not love. dont do that to yourself.'

how can anyone reply to that?

if you argue then you'd get into a fight, but if you leave it then its still just as bad.

This is what I was thinking; except for that bit about the bible, I haven't read that can you tell me where to look to find it?

Corinthians 13:1-13
"Love is patient and kind; love is not jealous or boastful; it is not arrogant or rude. Love does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends; as for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For our knowledge is imperfect and our prophecy is imperfect; but when the perfect comes, the imperfect will pass away. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became a man, I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall understand fully, even as I have been fully understood. So faith, hope, love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love."
...it brings a tear to my eye.
theres plenty of other definition type things on love in the bible, this is my personal favourite

That is indeed nice, I have actually heard excepts from it before just never known where they were from.

yeh that happens to be one of my favourite books of the Bible- Corinthians, the love chapter

btw, its in 1 Corinthians, not the 2nd one for those who got lost when looking for a more understandable version

this is an easier version to understand, basically all that kiki put up. if you dont like the God references, just ignore it

1 Corinthians 1:1-13 The Message Version

1 If I speak with human eloquence and angelic ecstasy but don't love, I'm nothing but the creaking of a rusty gate. 2If I speak God's Word with power, revealing all his mysteries and making everything plain as day, and if I have faith that says to a mountain, "Jump," and it jumps, but I don't love, I'm nothing. 3-7If I give everything I own to the poor and even go to the stake to be burned as a martyr, but I don't love, I've gotten nowhere. So, no matter what I say, what I believe, and what I do, I'm bankrupt without love.

Love never gives up.
Love cares more for others than for self.
Love doesn't want what it doesn't have.
Love doesn't strut,
Doesn't have a swelled head,
Doesn't force itself on others,
Isn't always "me first,"
Doesn't fly off the handle,
Doesn't keep score of the sins of others,
Doesn't revel when others grovel,
Takes pleasure in the flowering of truth,
Puts up with anything,
Trusts God always,
Always looks for the best,
Never looks back,
But keeps going to the end.
8-10Love never dies. Inspired speech will be over some day; praying in tongues will end; understanding will reach its limit. We know only a portion of the truth, and what we say about God is always incomplete. But when the Complete arrives, our incompletes will be canceled.

11When I was an infant at my mother's breast, I gurgled and cooed like any infant. When I grew up, I left those infant ways for good.

12We don't yet see things clearly. We're squinting in a fog, peering through a mist. But it won't be long before the weather clears and the sun shines bright! We'll see it all then, see it all as clearly as God sees us, knowing him directly just as he knows us!

13But for right now, until that completeness, we have three things to do to lead us toward that consummation: Trust steadily in God, hope unswervingly, love extravagantly. And the best of the three is love.

These keep getting better and better; I really should read the bible someday.

Well, maybe we could dedicate a topic to "random bible quotes".
In fact, I'll do that for you guys..
just get back on topic


RAWR

Um, back on topic.
Love is indeed a dubious issue, especially seeing as it is an interpersonal matter (it needs more than one person) and I believe that most people have a different personal meaning of the word; just as this topic has shown. So if we all have different meanings for the word, and for the word to be used at least two people are required then there is bound to be some confusion at some point; hence this thread.

its worth reading it.

If a guy said to me "I love you" i wouldn't believe them straight off. i would say:"are you serious??". some people say they love some one but they only have an infatuation, and easily move onto someone else because they want the attention or just want a bf/gf. but there are others who who become overly obsessive. thats the key to run away- at that phrase " I love you" i mean.

but not run away from everyone, just the stalkers

Oh, and another thing, people who write "i love you", but they've somehow transformed the simple, 4 letter word to "luv" or "lurv" or, my personal favourite, "lub".
Get it right. Its love. 4 letters. I mean, that's just abusing "love" to a whole new level.
Who wants to hear that they're "lubbed"?
God. If you want to get the meaning across, do it right.
LUB IS NOT A WORD!!!

wait hold up, I have no problems with the word "luv" (the other ones are a bit dorky though) as this thread has pointed out love is a strong word that is too often just thrown about. So why not have a milder one that isn't 'love' yet can still make a friend feel special without making them wonder "do they really love me?"? I support the "luv" revolution, even if I won't be a part of it.

The "luv" revolution can kiss my ass. If someone is special to you, and you love them, regardless whether or not it's romantic, "love" is the word to express that. Go check up "luv" in the dictionary. Its not there.
There are ways to express a milder love without using either of the words. I mean, tried telling them?
Besides, if a friend has to question whether or not you really love them, telling them that they're "luved" won't really assure them of that.
In fact, I'd much rather be told I was "loved" rather than "luved", because its sincere.
It's straightforward.
It doesn't sound like a load of bullshit.

yeh i can see where you are comming from. my opinion is that regardless of the spelling, they both bring across the same message, except the proper spelling is a better and more serious way to express that meaning.

This is the most pointless thing to complain about i have ever seen.


i love it.

hmmmmm . . . . .
*thinks hard*

"Love is just a lazy generalisation, used for a hundred different feelings and as many situations" - from Happiness Is a Chemical by Darren Hanlon

PS, yes I do know i can embed YouTube videos in here, but I didn't want to, k?

eh? what you going on about?

I heard the song and thought of this thread. So I posted it

no... i meant the bit about the Youtube. I figured it was a song.

Well, the link is to a YouTube video, and I expected someone would tell me "You know you can embed YouTube videos into your posts" so to avoid that I put my Post Script in.

back on the topic of love, have you ever wondered how we know if we truely love someone? and does that person know if they truely love you? the point is love is a mystery that everyone wants to know what it is. its our ultimate goal in life: to love and be loved

hmm, i wouldnt go that far, i mean wouldnt our ultimite goal be to survive?? i mean our entire body has evolved to be better at surviving "love" is just a bi-product of being self-aware and conscious. which is just to help us survive, its certainly not our ultimite goal, has any one read the book 1984?

bah, what ever zombies your ghost train.

Indeed I have read 1984, good book. I forgot what it had to say on the topic of love though?

i have just finished re-reading 1984. it didnt say as much on love as it implicated. u well know orwell's big brother society was not one of love, in fact it was one that fostered hatred and fear. the motivation of the "party" was to me immortal, the main characters struggle was with the establishment - one that would have him vaporized for thinking an ill thought of them... ok u pretty much get the picture.

however slurpee, i think you may forget how flippant our main character was when it came to love. he ultimately died for it. hows that for survival first? bittersweet.

how do u know? well dear.. u havent loved. ull know.

err...i also just read 1984 and last time i cheeked in the end he betrayed his lover so that he wouldnt have his face torn apart by rats....interesting, he certainly died for love didnt he??
and i wasnt talking about the book as a whole just the ending, also how would you know if iv ever been in love? what a smart ass comment to make.
What im saying is the human body is built for survival, you dont see animals sacravicing them selfs for the rest of there family, biological organizims dont evolve to love one another, they evolve to survive in their enviroment.

Thats why zombies will rule the world, they dont get all conflicted by emotions.

He did die for love as kiki put it, as after his "vaporized" he comes out a different Character. The Winston Smith of the first two parts is dead at the end of the book, and we've just ruined it for anyone who hasn't read the book.
So really it depends on your view as to whether or not he died for love as there are clearly two ways of looking at it.

If it wasnt for love, he wouldnt have been so flippant and wouldn't have ended up in the ministry of truth in part 3... and the not having loved comment wasnt directed at u slurpee, i think it was lozinabox who asked the question how do u know.
as for the animals not protecting their families, or dying for their families. ill just say it depends on the animal and ull find many species do actually "protect the nest" and die whilst doing so! u can argue its both survival and love, but it is certainly love first.
in periods of depression many families suffer from poverty and malnutrition. why is it that many mothers and fathers are more concerned with feeding their children before themselves? perhaps read about the Ukranians during the Bolshevik Revolution - then tell me, is it survival or love first?

like...like..."more than a friend?"

How totally Moulin Rouge of you:



Unconditionally.
The second you tell somebody you love them, whether romantically or not, then that has to stick. No matter what, through thick and thin, it's love.

Until you fall out of love, in which case, one must ask themselves, was it love to begin with?

Women know fuck all about love, to quote someone i can't remember ' I'd rather reach for the moon, than tackle a womans logic.

That is pretty sexist so you are referring to the entire population of women?

Of course i meant the whole population, just like how when you say men are pigs, you mean every man in the population.

LOL@YOU.
Shtoopid =)

When women say it, they're most likely angry at a certain guy in particular. I'm not mad at anybody. I'm just making observations.
So, is there anybody on your mind in particular when you say that women know nothing about love? Cos I beg to differ.
In fact, I'd be so bold as to say, that women know more about it than men do.. yanno, being the more emotional of the two.

Yeah you got a good brain in there prosti, you can read something and form your own opinion which isnt the one the writer obviously wanted you to think.



bravo!

What can I say? I try!
I'd first and fore mostly like to thank all the men out there, those f*ckin pigs, who've totally made me who I am today... I don't know what I'd do without my opinions.
*wipes away tear*

Wtvr =) Keep on topic, Kelevra, and the insults elsewhere!

LOVE YA, K!

Men suck, anybody? ;P